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Aaron Doherty

"Clay is overrated."

Head of AI & RevOps · Chowly
May 2026

TL;DR — KEY TAKEAWAYS

  • Aaron dropped Clay because the automation component couldn't scale. Working across sheets was too messy and workflows were unreliable. He moved to GitHub Actions for standard automation and N8n for anything that needs clear error visibility.
  • HubSpot got a 3-month micro-renewal nobody wanted. The renewal came up with 15 days left and no time to wind it down properly. Expensive, and Aaron wasn't happy about it.
  • Obsidian is top of his wants-to-try list. Because it links notes together, he sees it as a lightweight RAG database for managing context across projects in Claude Code.

GUEST

Aaron Doherty
Head of AI & RevOps · Chowly
RevOps

COMPANY

Industry
Restaurant Technology
Stage
Series A
Headcount
51–200
HQ
Chicago, USA

VERDICTS

Added
Claude, N8n, GitHub Actions, Obsidian
Dropped
Clay
Controversial Renewal
HubSpot
Wants to Try
Obsidian

TOOLS MENTIONED

Claude
N8n
GitHub Actions
Obsidian
Clay
HubSpot

TRANSCRIPT

Q: Is there a tool you decided to drop in the last couple of months?

So I'm very excited about dropping Clay. I think Clay is overrated. It's overcomplicated. The automation component, it's very hard to scale. Working across the different sheets is very overcomplicated. And so we use GitHub Actions. I am a big fan of N8n, and the more that I can see any active errors, which N8n makes really easy, the more of a fan of the tool that I am.

Erdem: I've heard this from some other folks, that once Clay updated their price plan to focus more on actions, it was sort of the beginning of the downfall.

Q: Which renewal recently was the most controversial one in the team?

HubSpot - renewed under duress. Although I do like HubSpot, I think it's got its place. The renewal was 15 days away and I didn't have the time to actually do the sunset properly. So fortunately they were able to give us a three month micro renewal. Although it was expensive, it didn't make me happy to sign that.

Q: What have you been adding to your stack recently?

Ralph Loops is what I'm most excited about. So everybody's doing a lot of development and I get handed a lot of in-process projects. So Ralph Loops helps me to do a lot of away from keyboard development using Claude Code. I do use Conductor to kind of drive that simultaneously, but then Ralph Loops within that really helps to build features.

Q: Is there an AI tool you're desperate to try these days?

Obsidian is the answer you're looking for. This is a good note taking tool, essentially. But because it maintains links between notes, you can kind of see context across all projects.

What's in your stack?

Tell us what you're keeping and what you're cutting loose.